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  <front>
    <title>IETF Community Moderation</title>
    <seriesInfo name="Internet-Draft" value="draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-11"/>
    <author initials="L." surname="Eggert" fullname="Lars Eggert" role="editor">
      <organization>Mozilla</organization>
      <address>
        <postal>
          <street>Stenbergintie 12 B</street>
          <city>Kauniainen</city>
          <code>02700</code>
          <country>FI</country>
        </postal>
        <email>lars@eggert.org</email>
        <uri>&lt;https://eggert.org/&gt;</uri>
      </address>
    </author>
    <author initials="E." surname="Lear" fullname="Eliot Lear" role="editor">
      <organization>Cisco Systems</organization>
      <address>
        <postal>
          <street>Richtistrasse 7</street>
          <city>Wallisellen</city>
          <code>8304</code>
          <country>Switzerland</country>
        </postal>
        <phone>+41 44 878 9200</phone>
        <email>lear@lear.ch</email>
      </address>
    </author>
    <date year="2025" month="September" day="19"/>
    <abstract>
      <?line 73?>

<t>The IETF community will treat people with kindness and grace, but not endless patience.</t>
      <t>This memo establishes a policy for the moderation of disruptive
participation
across the IETF's various public contribution channels and discussion fora.
It establishes guardrails
for moderation and a moderator team.  That team will develop a
set of guidelines and facilitate their consistent implementation with
chairs and administrators.</t>
    </abstract>
    <note removeInRFC="true">
      <name>About This Document</name>
      <t>
        The latest revision of this draft can be found at <eref target="https://larseggert.github.io/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes.html"/>.
        Status information for this document may be found at <eref target="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/"/>.
      </t>
      <t>
        Discussion of this document takes place on the
        mod-discuss Working Group mailing list (<eref target="mailto:mod-discuss@ietf.org"/>),
        which is archived at <eref target="https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/mod-discuss/"/>.
        Subscribe at <eref target="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mod-discuss/"/>.
      </t>
      <t>Source for this draft and an issue tracker can be found at
        <eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes"/>.</t>
    </note>
  </front>
  <middle>
    <?line 84?>

<section anchor="introduction">
      <name>Introduction</name>
      <t>This memo establishes a policy for the moderation of disruptive
participation
across the IETF's various public contribution channels and discussion fora.
It creates a
moderator team to develop procedures and to facilitate their consistent
application.</t>
      <t>This memo obsoletes and updates some prior IETF processes, summarized here
and described in more detail in <xref target="changes"/>:</t>
      <t>This memo makes the following changes to existing processes:</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t>Obsoletes <xref target="RFC3683"/> as the "posting rights" (PR) action it defines
are replaced by procedures defined herein;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Obsoletes <xref target="RFC3934"/> as it replaces working group moderation
procedures;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Obsoletes <xref section="3" sectionFormat="of" target="RFC9245"/> and the second paragraph of
<xref section="4" sectionFormat="of" target="RFC9245"/>, as the moderator team replaces the
IETF discussion list moderation team.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Updates <xref section="6.1" sectionFormat="of" target="RFC2418"/>, because the moderator team will
now work together with working group chairs to moderate disruptive
behavior.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <t>The processes described in this document are solely applicable to IETF
activities, and not to other related organizations, such as
the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF),
the Internet Architecture Board (IAB),
the RFC Series Working Group (RSWG), the RFC Series Approval Board (RSAB),
or the Independent RFC Submission Stream, without their explicit agreement.</t>
      <section anchor="terminology-note">
        <name>Terminology Note</name>
        <t>Below we use the term "administrator" to refer to the people who
are assigned by the IESG to manage a particular public participation
channel or discussion forum. This document uses the term "forum"
to refer to any public IETF participation channel, such as a mailing list,
chat group, or discussion in a collaborative tool such as GitHub or
GitLab. For example, working
group chairs are administrators of all the public fora their WG
uses, which typically includes mailing lists and chat groups, but might
also include collaborative tools such as GitHub or GitLab. Another example
of administrators are the "owners" of non-WG IETF mailing lists.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="genphil">
        <name>General Philosophy</name>
        <t>The cornerstone of our philosophy is that individuals are responsible for
furthering the goals of the IETF as an organization <xref target="RFC3935"/>
in a manner consistent with the policy laid out in <xref target="RFC7154"/>.</t>
        <t>Disagreement and diverse points of view within any standards organization
are to be expected, and are even healthy.
The IETF is an open standards organization with a discussion-based rough
consensus process, a non-normative description of which is in <xref target="RFC7282"/>.
Engaged, respectful discussion that is within the scope of an IETF forum
should therefore not be considered disruptive,
nor should someone be considered disruptive solely because they are outside
the rough consensus.
However, when someone crosses the line
into disruptive behavior, some action must be taken in order to maintain
decorum of the community.</t>
        <t>The moderation policy goals are as follows:</t>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t>Apply consistent, fair, and timely moderation of communication across all public
IETF participation channels and participation fora
without regard to a participant's role in the IETF or previous technical
contributions;</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Appeals are available to address disagreements about moderation actions;</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Balance transparency against both privacy of individuals involved and further
disruption to the community;</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Allow moderation decisions to be reconsidered; and</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Provide the broadest possible latitude to all people doing moderation, so
that they have the flexibility to address a broad range of individuals
and circumstances.</t>
          </li>
        </ul>
        <t>Questions about processes detailed below should be answered through the lens
of these aims.</t>
        <t>The goal is explicitly <strong>not</strong> punishment, but to maintain an open, welcoming,
non-hostile environment in which all may participate on an equal footing,
regardless of their role in the IETF or past technical contributions.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="ietf-moderator-team">
      <name>IETF Moderator Team</name>
      <t>This memo proposes a consistent approach to moderating the
IETF's various public fora. A moderator team for the IETF
will develop guidelines for moderation and will facilitate
their consistent implementation and application as detailed below.
These changes are intended to address the issues identified
in the previous model <xref target="motive"/> and the principles described in the
introduction.</t>
      <section anchor="composition">
        <name>Composition</name>
        <t>The IESG appoints and recalls moderators.
The moderator team initially consists of no less than five individuals.
The moderator team may expand or contract
based on operational experience.
In selecting members, the IESG will take into
account geographic coverage, expected and unexpected absences, and
team diversity.</t>
        <t>Because the IESG and IAB are in the appeals chain for moderator team
decisions (see <xref target="appeals"/>), the IESG must not appoint a
moderator who is serving on the IESG or IAB. Individuals serving on
other bodies to which the NomCom appoints members, such as the IETF
Trust or the LLC Board, as well as LLC staff and contractors shall
also be excluded from serving on the moderator team. If a moderator
is assuming any such role, they shall step down from the moderator team
soon after.</t>
        <section anchor="team-diversity">
          <name>Team Diversity</name>
          <t>Due to the global nature of the IETF, the membership of this team
should reflect a diversity of time zones and other participant
characteristics that lets it operate effectively around the clock and
throughout the year. Ideally, the moderators should be able to
respond to issues within a few hours.</t>
          <t>Team diversity is also important to ensure any participant observing
disruptive behavior can identify a moderator they feel comfortable
contacting.</t>
        </section>
      </section>
      <section anchor="training">
        <name>Training</name>
        <t>The IETF is committed to providing and/or funding training for
administrators and moderators as necessary. The IESG will
negotiate any required funding or resources with IETF Administration
LLC <xref target="RFC8711"/>.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="scope-and-responsibilities">
      <name>Scope and Responsibilities</name>
      <t>This policy applies to all public IETF fora, both present and
future, including, but not limited to, mailing lists, chat groups,
and discussions in other systems that the IETF or WGs have chosen to
employ, such as GitHub repositories, Wikis, or issue trackers.</t>
      <t>Different people have different moderation responsibilities:</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t><strong>Participants</strong> should always behave in a manner discussed in
<xref target="genphil"/>.  They are also encouraged to report disruptive behavior
directed at them or someone else to an administrator of the respective
forum <strong>and</strong> the moderators.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t><strong>Administrators</strong> are primarily responsible for managing their fora in
accordance with guidance developed by the moderators and approved by
the IESG. As such, they shall address reports of disruptive behavior
in a timely fashion, apprising moderators of reports or actions taken.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <t>For a working group, chairs are by default the administrators.  They may
delegate this responsibility, but they must always accept, acknowledge,
and keep track of complaints of disruptive behavior.
Forum administrators should perform moderation in a way that
obviates the need for moderator team involvement.</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t><strong>Moderators</strong> are responsible for establishing processes to
address moderation needs across all IETF fora, both present and
future.  They are a resource that the community
can use to address disruptive behavior.
The moderator team is responsible to the IESG.  The IESG
may create or designate a forum to facilitate discussion about
moderation, and refer interested parties to that forum.  </t>
          <t>
Moderators may take actions when administrators do not respond to
reports in a timely fashion.  Their first action should generally be
to attempt to contact and advise the relevant administrators.
They should only take
moderation actions when administrators are not responsive.  In
particular, moderators should generally give WG chairs
the opportunity to
manage what may be difficult and contentious debates within their
groups.  Within the bounds of this principle, it is left to
moderators' judgement to determine when they must act, with the
understanding that some situations may require fast responses.
<xref target="appeals"/> discusses the handling of disagreements.  </t>
          <t>
Moderators are administrators for IETF
plenary fora, currently including the IETF discussion and last-call
lists and any plenary chat sessions. They are also administrators for
any forum that does not otherwise have an administrator.  </t>
          <t>
In order to scale the function, except for plenary fora as described
above, moderators are not expected to always actively monitor
all communications.  In general, they will process reports from
participants.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t><strong>Area Directors</strong> are expected to resolve conflicts as described here and
in <xref target="appeals"/>.  The IESG will periodically evaluate the performance
and needs of moderators, and may appoint and recall moderators as
they deem appropriate.  Apart from that,
the IESG shall refrain from the day-to-day operation
and management of the moderator team. The moderators may
consult with the IESG when needed.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <section anchor="actions-that-are-out-of-scope">
        <name>Actions That Are Out of Scope</name>
        <t>Moderator actions are only permitted for the purposes of limiting
disruptive communications in IETF fora.  All other actions are beyond
the scope of this memo. Examples of actions that are out of scope include,
but are not limited to, datatracker account removal, in-person meeting
registration, content removal or redaction, moderation or policing of
private or non-IETF communications, and redaction from IETF archives.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="unsolicted-bulk-messages">
        <name>Unsolicted Bulk Messages</name>
        <t>Unsolicited bulk messages are considered disruptive and should be handled in a
manner consistent with the IESG statement on IETF Spam Control on IETF
Mailing Lists<xref target="IESG-SPAM"/>, or its successors.  Administrators
may take similar actions in other fora (e.g., GitHub or Instant Messaging).
Such actions require no additional reporting.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="prod">
      <name>Moderation Procedures and Transparency</name>
      <t>Within the bounds of the policies set herein, and with the
approval of the IESG, the moderator team shall develop
processes and criteria relating to moderation, including
the moderator team's own operating procedures.</t>
      <t>Those processes and criteria shall be developed with community input
and made public, but need not be documented in the RFC series.  This
shall be the first task for the moderator team.  Until
that happens, the previous procedures remain in effect.</t>
      <t>The intent of this memo is to provide the widest possible freedom of
action to administrators and moderators, with a few constraints.
Examples of actions that could be taken include:</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t>Automated rate limiting mechanisms;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Review and approval of submissions/messages;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>A private or public admonishment;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Temporary or permanent suspension of participation privileges
in one or more fora.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <t>We stress that these are only examples, and not in any way
prescriptive. Administrators and moderators are free to decide on
these or other actions.</t>
      <t>The expectation is that the minimal actions necessary will be taken.
Those who are directed to stop disrupting a forum must do so immediately.
Further disruptions may lead to further corrective actions.</t>
      <t>All moderation actions that restrict participation privileges shall be
periodically reported to the IESG,
as well as immediately to the moderator team for their review, and
immediately to those against whom those actions take effect.</t>
      <t>To address disruptive behavior in a timely manner, only
moderation actions suspending participation privileges for longer than
fourteen (14) days shall be reported to the forum to which such an action applies.
If such an action applies to more than one forum, it should be communicated to
the community in a manner decided by the IESG.</t>
      <section anchor="appeals">
        <name>Consistency and Conflict Resolution</name>
        <t>Administrators and moderators shall act in a manner
consistent this memo and the guidelines approved by the IESG.  In cases
of disagreement over a moderation decision, anyone may take the matter up
with the responsible area director for resolution, or with the IETF chair
if a responsible area director cannot be determined or is not assigned.
If the disagreement cannot be resolved by the Area Director, that person may
then appeal to the IESG, and subsequently to the IAB using the processes
stated in Sections <xref target="RFC2026" section="6.5.1" sectionFormat="bare"/> and <xref target="RFC2026" section="6.5.4" sectionFormat="bare"/> of <xref target="RFC2026"/>.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="reinstatement">
        <name>Reinstatement</name>
        <t>People and circumstances change.  Individuals whose participation
privileges have been indefinitely suspended from a forum may request
reinstatement.
Requests for reinstatement
may be made only a year after the initial decision, and then
only annually afterwards.</t>
        <t>Any such request must be
directed to the entity who made the decision (e.g., moderator team,
working group chairs, etc.) or their successors.  That party may at
their discretion
reinstate someone, conditionally or unconditionally.</t>
        <t>To avoid
denial-of-service attacks on our processes, decisions to not reinstate
someone's participation privileges may not be appealed.
Any reinstatement is a grace and not a right.</t>
        <t>A suspension of participation privileges imposed prior to this process
shall be reconsidered only in
accordance with the processes in place at the time of the suspension,
even if the corresponding RFC has been formally obsoleted.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="relationship-to-other-ietf-functions">
      <name>Relationship to other IETF functions</name>
      <section anchor="relation-to-the-ombudsteam">
        <name>Relation to the Ombudsteam</name>
        <t>Administrators and moderators shall complement the efforts of the IETF
ombudsteam <xref target="OT"/>, whose focus on anti-harassment and operation
shall remain unchanged. Administrators and moderators should always
report suspected harassment.  They should nonetheless take any
necessary actions regarding disruptive behavior.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="relation-to-the-ietf-llc">
        <name>Relation to the IETF LLC</name>
        <t>The Board of Directors of the IETF Administration LLC (IETF LLC) has
fiduciary duty for the overall organization, which includes the duty
to protect the organization from serious legal risk that may arise
from the behavior of IETF participants.</t>
        <t>This protection may include the need for the IETF LLC to take
emergency moderation actions. These emergency actions are expected to
be taken only when the IETF LLC has received legal advice that such
action is necessary, and therefore extremely rare in frequency. Some
examples of where this might be necessary are:</t>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t>Someone making a credible threat of harm to other IETF participants.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Someone using IETF mailing lists and/or websites to share content
where publishing that content on IETF lists and/or websites brings
serious legal risk.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Someone making a credible threat of legal action where any form of
interaction with them on IETF mailing lists may have serious legal
consequences for the IETF.</t>
          </li>
        </ul>
        <t>If any such action is taken, the IETF LLC should, except where
limited by legal advice to the contrary, inform the IESG as soon as
possible, providing full details of the subject of the action, nature
of the action, reason for the action and expected duration. The IETF
LLC should also inform the moderator team and IETF community, except
where it receives legal advice to the contrary.</t>
        <t>As such an action would be taken by the IETF LLC in order to protect
the IETF according to its fiduciary duty, then it cannot allow that
to be overridden by a decision of the moderator team or the IESG.
The subject of any such action may request a review by the IETF LLC
board, as documented in section 4.7 of <xref target="RFC8711"/></t>
        <t>Any such action taken by the IETF LLC under this section of this
policy, is not subject to the rest of this policy.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="relation-to-the-irtf">
        <name>Relation to the IRTF</name>
        <t>The Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) <xref target="RFC2014"/> is a peer
organization separate from the IETF that is governed by its own
set of rules and processes. Sections <xref target="RFC9775" section="3" sectionFormat="bare"/>, <xref target="RFC9775" section="6" sectionFormat="bare"/> and <xref target="RFC9775" section="7" sectionFormat="bare"/> of <xref target="RFC9775"/> discuss rules for participating
in the IRTF and moderation of IRTF participation fora.
The policies described in this memo do not apply to the IRTF.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="security-considerations">
      <name>Security Considerations</name>
      <t>The usual security considerations <xref target="RFC3552"/> do not apply to this
document.</t>
      <t>There is the potential abuse of the moderation process by moderators,
working group chairs, and potentially others that could lead to
censorship of legitimate participation. This potential risk is mitigated in
seven ways:</t>
      <ol spacing="normal" type="1"><li>
          <t>The moderator team must first establish processes and
procedures that are intended to apply uniformly across the IETF.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>This memo explicitly states that minority viewpoints are not
in and of themselves disruptive.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Moderation actions that restrict participation privileges must be made transparent
to the affected person and to the moderation team, and must be
periodically reported to the IESG.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>In the case of restrictions of participation privileges lasting longer than
14 days, the community is also informed.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>An appeals process is made available to anyone in the case of
disagreements.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>If IETF participants believe that the IESG is not performing
their oversight functions as described in this document, they may
comment to the NOMCOM or the community at large.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Finally, if it appears that these processes are not functioning
properly they may be amended.  They are not set in stone.</t>
        </li>
      </ol>
      <t>Moderation actions are intended to limit the likelihood
of disruptive behavior by a few IETF participants from discouraging
participation by other IETF participants.</t>
    </section>
    <section anchor="iana-considerations">
      <name>IANA Considerations</name>
      <t>No IANA actions are requested.</t>
    </section>
    <section anchor="acknowledgments">
      <name>Acknowledgments</name>
      <t>This memo is based on two individual Internet-Drafts,
<eref target="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ecahc-moderation/">draft-ecahc-moderation</eref>
authored by Lars Eggert, Alissa Cooper, Jari Arkko, Russ Housley and Brian E.
Carpenter, and
<eref target="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lear-bcp83-replacement/">draft-lear-bcp83-replacement</eref>
authored by Eliot Lear, Robert Wilton, Bron Gondwana and John R. Levine.
Robert Sayre authored
<eref target="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sayre-modpod-excellent/">draft-sayre-modpod-excellent</eref>,
which also originated ideas reflected in this work.  Pete Resnick provided the
basis for how the moderators interact with list/forum leadership.</t>
      <t>These individuals contributed additional improvements:</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t>Alissa Cooper</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Brian Carpenter</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Chris Box</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Colin Perkins</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>David Schinazi</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Eric Rescorla</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Jay Daley</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Joel Halpern</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>John Klensin</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Martin Thomson</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Melinda Shore</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Michael Richardson</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Nick Hilliard</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Pete Resnick</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Rich Salz</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Robert Sayre</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Russ Housely</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Sean Turner</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Simon Josefsson</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Stephen Farrell</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Ted Lemon</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Tim Bray</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
    </section>
  </middle>
  <back>
    <references anchor="sec-combined-references">
      <name>References</name>
      <references anchor="sec-normative-references">
        <name>Normative References</name>
        <reference anchor="IESG-SPAM" target="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-iesg-statement-on-spam-control-on-ietf-mailing-lists-20080414/">
          <front>
            <title>IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists</title>
            <author>
              <organization>IESG</organization>
            </author>
            <date year="2008" month="April" day="18"/>
          </front>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC3683">
          <front>
            <title>A Practice for Revoking Posting Rights to IETF Mailing Lists</title>
            <author fullname="M. Rose" initials="M." surname="Rose"/>
            <date month="March" year="2004"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>All self-governing bodies have ways of managing the scope of participant interaction. The IETF uses a consensus-driven process for developing computer-communications standards in an open fashion. An important part of this consensus-driven process is the pervasive use of mailing lists for discussion. Notably, in a small number of cases, a participant has engaged in a "denial-of-service" attack to disrupt the consensus-driven process. Regrettably, as these bad faith attacks become more common, the IETF needs to establish a practice that reduces or eliminates these attacks. This memo recommends such a practice for use by the IETF. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="83"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="3683"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC3683"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC3934">
          <front>
            <title>Updates to RFC 2418 Regarding the Management of IETF Mailing Lists</title>
            <author fullname="M. Wasserman" initials="M." surname="Wasserman"/>
            <date month="October" year="2004"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document is an update to RFC 2418 that gives WG chairs explicit responsibility for managing WG mailing lists. In particular, it gives WG chairs the authority to temporarily suspend the mailing list posting privileges of disruptive individuals. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="25"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="3934"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC3934"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC9245">
          <front>
            <title>IETF Discussion List Charter</title>
            <author fullname="L. Eggert" initials="L." surname="Eggert"/>
            <author fullname="S. Harris" initials="S." surname="Harris"/>
            <date month="June" year="2022"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) discussion mailing list furthers the development and specification of Internet technology through the general discussion of technical, procedural, operational, and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exist. As this is the most general IETF mailing list, considerable latitude in terms of topics is allowed, but there are posts and topics that are unsuitable for this mailing list. This document defines the charter for the IETF discussion list and explains its scope.</t>
              <t>This document obsoletes RFC 3005 and updates RFC 3683.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="45"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="9245"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC9245"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC2418">
          <front>
            <title>IETF Working Group Guidelines and Procedures</title>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
            <date month="September" year="1998"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document describes the guidelines and procedures for formation and operation of IETF working groups. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="25"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="2418"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC2418"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC3935">
          <front>
            <title>A Mission Statement for the IETF</title>
            <author fullname="H. Alvestrand" initials="H." surname="Alvestrand"/>
            <date month="October" year="2004"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This memo gives a mission statement for the IETF, tries to define the terms used in the statement sufficiently to make the mission statement understandable and useful, argues why the IETF needs a mission statement, and tries to capture some of the debate that led to this point. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="95"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="3935"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC3935"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC7154">
          <front>
            <title>IETF Guidelines for Conduct</title>
            <author fullname="S. Moonesamy" initials="S." role="editor" surname="Moonesamy"/>
            <date month="March" year="2014"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document provides a set of guidelines for personal interaction in the Internet Engineering Task Force. The guidelines recognize the diversity of IETF participants, emphasize the value of mutual respect, and stress the broad applicability of our work.</t>
              <t>This document is an updated version of the guidelines for conduct originally published in RFC 3184.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="54"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="7154"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC7154"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC8711">
          <front>
            <title>Structure of the IETF Administrative Support Activity, Version 2.0</title>
            <author fullname="B. Haberman" initials="B." surname="Haberman"/>
            <author fullname="J. Hall" initials="J." surname="Hall"/>
            <author fullname="J. Livingood" initials="J." surname="Livingood"/>
            <date month="February" year="2020"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>The IETF Administrative Support Activity (IASA) was originally established in 2005. In the years since then, the needs of the IETF evolved in ways that required changes to its administrative structure. The purpose of this RFC is to document and describe the IETF Administrative Support Activity, version 2.0 (IASA 2.0). It defines the roles and responsibilities of the IETF Administration LLC Board (IETF LLC Board), the IETF Executive Director, and the Internet Society in the fiscal and administrative support of the IETF standards process. It also defines the membership and selection rules for the IETF LLC Board.</t>
              <t>This document obsoletes RFC 4071, RFC 4333, and RFC 7691.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="101"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="8711"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC8711"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC2026">
          <front>
            <title>The Internet Standards Process -- Revision 3</title>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
            <date month="October" year="1996"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This memo documents the process used by the Internet community for the standardization of protocols and procedures. It defines the stages in the standardization process, the requirements for moving a document between stages and the types of documents used during this process. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="2026"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC2026"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC7776">
          <front>
            <title>IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures</title>
            <author fullname="P. Resnick" initials="P." surname="Resnick"/>
            <author fullname="A. Farrel" initials="A." surname="Farrel"/>
            <date month="March" year="2016"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>IETF Participants must not engage in harassment while at IETF meetings, virtual meetings, or social events or while participating in mailing lists. This document lays out procedures for managing and enforcing this policy.</t>
              <t>This document updates RFC 2418 by defining new working group guidelines and procedures. This document updates RFC 7437 by allowing the Ombudsteam to form a recall petition without further signatories.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="25"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="7776"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC7776"/>
        </reference>
      </references>
      <references anchor="sec-informative-references">
        <name>Informative References</name>
        <reference anchor="AHP" target="https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/anti-harassment-policy/">
          <front>
            <title>IETF Anti-Harassment Policy</title>
            <author>
              <organization>IESG</organization>
            </author>
            <date year="2013" month="November" day="03"/>
          </front>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="OT" target="https://www.ietf.org/contact/ombudsteam/">
          <front>
            <title>Ombudsteam</title>
            <author>
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date/>
          </front>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="MODML" target="https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/mailing-lists-moderation/">
          <front>
            <title>IESG Guidance on the Moderation of IETF Working Group Mailing Lists</title>
            <author>
              <organization>IESG</organization>
            </author>
            <date year="2000" month="August" day="29"/>
          </front>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="DP" target="https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/disruptive-posting/">
          <front>
            <title>IESG Statement on Disruptive Posting</title>
            <author>
              <organization>IESG</organization>
            </author>
            <date year="2006" month="February" day="16"/>
          </front>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC7282">
          <front>
            <title>On Consensus and Humming in the IETF</title>
            <author fullname="P. Resnick" initials="P." surname="Resnick"/>
            <date month="June" year="2014"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>The IETF has had a long tradition of doing its technical work through a consensus process, taking into account the different views among IETF participants and coming to (at least rough) consensus on technical matters. In particular, the IETF is supposed not to be run by a "majority rule" philosophy. This is why we engage in rituals like "humming" instead of voting. However, more and more of our actions are now indistinguishable from voting, and quite often we are letting the majority win the day without consideration of minority concerns. This document explains some features of rough consensus, what is not rough consensus, how we have gotten away from it, how we might think about it differently, and the things we can do in order to really achieve rough consensus.</t>
              <t>Note: This document is quite consciously being put forward as Informational. It does not propose to change any IETF processes and is therefore not a BCP. It is simply a collection of principles, hopefully around which the IETF can come to (at least rough) consensus.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="7282"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC7282"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC2014">
          <front>
            <title>IRTF Research Group Guidelines and Procedures</title>
            <author fullname="A. Weinrib" initials="A." surname="Weinrib"/>
            <author fullname="J. Postel" initials="J." surname="Postel"/>
            <date month="October" year="1996"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document describes the guidelines and procedures for formation and operation of IRTF Research Groups. It describes the relationship between IRTF participants, Research Groups, the Internet Research Steering Group (IRSG) and the Internet Architecture Board (IAB). This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="8"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="2014"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC2014"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC9775">
          <front>
            <title>IRTF Code of Conduct</title>
            <author fullname="C. S. Perkins" initials="C. S." surname="Perkins"/>
            <date month="March" year="2025"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document describes the code of conduct for participants in the
Internet Research Task Force (IRTF).</t>
              <t>The IRTF believes that research is most effective when done in an
open and inclusive forum that encourages diversity of ideas and
participation. Through this code of conduct, the IRTF continues to
strive to create and maintain an environment that encourages broad
participation, and one in which people are treated with dignity,
decency, and respect.</t>
              <t>This document is a product of the Internet Research Steering Group
(IRSG).</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="9775"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC9775"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC3552">
          <front>
            <title>Guidelines for Writing RFC Text on Security Considerations</title>
            <author fullname="E. Rescorla" initials="E." surname="Rescorla"/>
            <author fullname="B. Korver" initials="B." surname="Korver"/>
            <date month="July" year="2003"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>All RFCs are required to have a Security Considerations section. Historically, such sections have been relatively weak. This document provides guidelines to RFC authors on how to write a good Security Considerations section. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="72"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="3552"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC3552"/>
        </reference>
      </references>
    </references>
    <?line 505?>

<section anchor="change-history-of-this-i-d">
      <name>Change History of this I-D</name>
      <aside>
        <t>RFC Editor: Please remove this appendix before publication.</t>
      </aside>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-10">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-10</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t>Many editorial suggestions received during WGLC.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/181">remove attendee mailing lists from moderator primary responsibility</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/149">Correct reference to appeals process.</eref>
              <eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/230">Also this.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/197">Clarify fora that are out of scope.</eref>
              <eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/181">Incl. attendees' lists.</eref>
              <eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/235">Also this.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/220">Clarify WG chairs are default admins but can delegate.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/231">Mod team size guidance.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/229">Chair immediately notify mods and affected parties.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/232">Add all of the available mitigations to risks of censorship.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/234">Clarify AD responsibilities.</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-09">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-09</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/147">Try to find another happy medium on power of moderators</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-08">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-08</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/issues/142">Address timeliness and exisgent circumstances</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/143">Make clear that moderators should use their judgment on timing</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-07">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-07</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/issues/134">Pete Resnick issues and similar</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/135">Includes changes to abstract, intro, tweaks to make relationship
between admins/WG chairs clearer; makes roles clearer,
moderation team → moderator team.</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modmod-group-processes-06">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modmod-group-processes-06</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/129">Normalize handling of moderation across all fora</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/132">Obsolete RFC 3934, explicit admin responsibility</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-05">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-05</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/126">New attempt to address moderation/WG interactions</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-04">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-04</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/120">Use plain English instead of BCP 14 language</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-03">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-03</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/121">Non-normative Examples of Disruptive Behavior</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-02">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-02</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/105">Say which RFCs this obsoletes and updates.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/116">Address issue 113</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/103">Rewrite philosophy</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/107">Reinstatement</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/109">Content removal is not moderation.</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-01">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-01</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/92">Update "Relation to the IETF LLC".</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/97">Point to relevant IRTF material.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/100">Add some text to explain the role of moderators.</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-00">
        <name>Since draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-00</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/80">Spelling fix</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/75">Initial attempt to balance what the moderator defines and what</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/76">Scope and relationship between WG chairs and moderators</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/88">Fix wording, spelling and capitalization.</eref></t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t><eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/87">Editorial changes to acknowledgments.</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
      <section anchor="since-draft-ecahc-moderation-01">
        <name>Since draft-ecahc-moderation-01</name>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t>Content taken from
<eref target="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ecahc-moderation/01/">draft-ecahc-moderation-01</eref>.
<eref target="https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/65">Updated editors. Acknowledge authors of original pre-WG I-Ds.</eref></t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="changes-and-motivation">
      <name>Changes and Motivation</name>
      <t><xref target="introduction"/> summarized the process changes introduced by this memo.
The remainder of this section discusses the background that let to them.</t>
      <section anchor="changes">
        <name>Changes</name>
        <t>The IETF community has defined general guidelines for
personal interactions in the IETF <xref target="RFC7154"/>, and the IESG has
defined an anti-harassment policy for the IETF <xref target="AHP"/> for which the IETF
community has defined anti-harassment procedures <xref target="RFC7776"/>,
empowering an ombudsteam <xref target="OT"/> to take necessary action.</t>
        <t>Dealing with <em>disruptive</em> behavior, however, is not part of the role
of the ombudsteam. <xref target="RFC2418"/> tasks the chairs of each IETF working
group with moderating their group's in-person meetings while
<xref target="RFC3934"/> provided chairs a procedure to help manage mailing
lists. An IESG statement <xref target="MODML"/> described additional guidance
to working group chairs about how — but not when — to moderate their
lists.</t>
        <t>For IETF mailing lists not associated with a working group, another
IESG statement <xref target="DP"/> clarifies that the IESG tasks list administrators
with moderation. And the IETF list for general discussions
has, mostly for historic reasons, a team of moderators that are not
list administrators and operate by a different set of processes
<xref target="RFC9245"/>.</t>
        <t>Note that the term "moderation" can refer both to <em>preemptive</em>
moderation, where administrators review attempted participation before
it occurs
(such as reviewing messages to a mailing list), and <em>reactive</em> moderation,
where administrators intervene after disruptive participation has occurred.
The
IETF historically mainly practiced reactive moderation, with a spectrum from
gentle reminders on- and off-list, all the way to suspension of posting rights
and other ways of participating or communicating. It is up to the moderators
and administrators
to decide which mix of preemptive and reactive moderation to employ as
part of their processes.</t>
        <t>In addition, <xref target="RFC3683"/> defines a process for revoking an
individual's posting rights to IETF mailing lists following a
community last-call of a "posting rights" action (PR-action) proposed
by the IESG, often in response to complaints from the community.</t>
        <t>Experience and community input suggests that an evolution of the
existing processes is necessary.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="motive">
        <name>Problems with the Previous Approach</name>
        <t>The previous approach to moderation of disruptive participation
through chairs, list administrators, and moderator teams, combined
with the IESG-led process of PR-actions, has proven to be less than
ideal:</t>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t>The IETF community has not been able to agree on a common definition
of disruptive behavior. Therefore, chairs and list administrators
apply individually different criteria when making decisions, and
participants have different expectations for when PR-actions are
warranted.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>The moderation process that chairs and list administrators need to
follow <xref target="RFC3934"/> is slow and cumbersome, which makes it
ill-suited to situations that escalate quickly. It also assumes
that the originator of disruptive behavior is a misguided
participant who can be reasoned with and who will change their
ways.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Chairs and list administrators may only enact moderation actions for
their single list, which is ill-suited when a pattern of disruptive
behavior spans multiple lists. Also, chairs and list administrators
may not be fully aware of disruptive behavior that spans multiple
lists, due to not being subscribed to some of them.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>PR-actions, which can address disruptive behavior across several
lists, are cumbersome and slow, and the community has not been able
to agree on a common definition of disruptive behavior. This has
led to a situation where PR-actions are rarely used, and when they
are used, they are perceived as very heavy-handed.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>For a given mailing list, participants may not feel comfortable
reporting disruptive behavior to a chair or list administrator, for
various reasons. For mailing lists not associated with working
groups, list administrators are not even publicly identified - they
can only be contacted through an anonymous alias address. This
exacerbates the problem, because participants may not be
comfortable reporting disruptive behavior to an anonymous party.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>The IETF offers participation not only through in-person meetings
and mailing lists, which are the two channels of participation for
which moderation processes are currently defined. IETF business
also happens in chat groups, remote meeting participation
systems, virtual meetings, wikis, GitHub repositories, and more.
How disruptive behavior is moderated in these fora is currently
undefined.</t>
          </li>
        </ul>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="examples">
      <name>Non-Normative Examples of Disruptive Behavior</name>
      <t>The list below describes some types of disruptive behavior, but it
is non-exhaustive.</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t>Discussion of subjects unrelated to a forum's charter or scope;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Uncivil commentary, regardless of the general subject;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Messages announcing conferences, events, or activities
that are not sponsored or endorsed by the Internet Society or IETF,
unless posted with prior approval of list administrators;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Repeatedly arguing counter to a WG charter that has been approved by
the IESG; and</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>"Sealioning", where a participant makes incessant requests for evidence or
data, even while remaining superficially polite.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <t>These items are examples. Moderators and administrators may take moderation
actions for many other cases.</t>
      <t>The moderator team's task consists of
subjective judgement calls. Behaviors not listed here might require
moderation, and it is not possible to write a complete list of all such
behaviors.</t>
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